Bummed out. :(

  • Reddit discussion on blood clots and purported diagnosis of venous TOS

I’ve had pretty crazy past few months. I’ve never had any health issues before, but after a 9-hour flight back from London at the end of September, I noticed my right arm was swollen and the veins in my chest/arm were very pronounced. I went to the ER (it was late at night) where they did an ultrasound and told me there was no clotting, and I was fine. I went back to my regular doctor a week and a half later when the pain/swelling were still there. They sent me to the ER again, where they found a large clot in my arm/chest.

Since then, I’ve been through three hospital stays, two vein procedures to try to remove some of the clot, and a surgery to remove my right “cervical rib”. Doctors said I had Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, and that this extra rib was pinching off the vein in my arm, which caused the clotting. They said when my arm was up or out to the side, the vein was completely pinched off.

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A few comments-

The poster had swelling in the arm but no clot in the thoracic outlet on the first ultrasound. They also later developed a blood clot in the other arm. Makes me think either they have a blood clotting disorder, or a structural issue downstream from the thoracic outlet.

The blood clot likely extended proximally, towards the heart, so that the second ultrasound found it. But as to the clot originating in the thoracic outlet, we should question that suggestion.

I have never seen a case of vein compression or of venous TOS caused by a cervical rib. Specifically, the cervical rib is too far posterior to affect the subclavian vein. Look at the image for explanation. There are other anatomic structures that can compress the subclavian vein, but they are in the anterior part of the thoracic outlet. And, in fact, after this patient’s surgery, his or her doctors told him the vein is still “being pinched off.” Removing the cervical rib didn’t help.

It is important to know that many normal and asymptomatic people have compression of their subclavian veins with arms up. That is not the criterion for diagnosis of venous TOS. My guess is that this patient has a blood clotting disorder. His or her blood may clot too easily.

I feel strongly that an MRI examination would have shown no relationship between the cervical rib and subclavian vein in this patient. That could have saved unnecessary surgery.

I am disappointed every time I learn about a case where doctors don’t seem knowledgeable about TOS. I do realize that very few doctors, including myself, ever received training on TOS in medical school. But most of us have been trained to remain open to new knowledge. TOS carries a strange unscientific stigma fostered by docs who don’t keep an open mind. That doesn’t help patients.

On the other hand, I am encouraged by those patients who advocate for themselves. I have seen some amazing patient arm themselves with research (all praise the higher purposes of the internet!). Some doctors get intimidated by these patients. That’s a bad sign for any patient. Inform yourself, and work with a doctor who is an ally, not an adversary!

By |2019-01-04T23:41:12+00:00January 4th, 2019|Categories: TOS News|Tags: , , |0 Comments

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